Alyth Nerun
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Posted - 2014.07.07 22:24:00 -
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Dragnkat wrote:Personally I'd like an answer better then move to another location please. Because in the case of ice this is something both CCP and the GM need to understand. There is not one usually within a reasonable distance.
You can't just jump one system over or change one belt. You have to make 5-7 jump trips, you have to move ships, you have to then haul longer distances. All because of what just happened to me and a corp mate. A character in a maller was ramming every barge in the belt making ice mining impossible, even if you tried to orbit and evade him, his actions were disruptive and made our undertaking playing the game as we desired impossible.
Why do you think CCP should single you out to enable you to play the game as you desire? Why not me? I want to pew pew your barges all day long without CONCORD or white knights interfering.
But obviously that's not how the game works, it's a sandbox with rules and many fighting about limited resources. You want that risk free Highsec ice? Why should you get it without effort when others invest time to control it with what tools are left to project power in Highsec.
Dragnkat wrote:
And we have zero recourse against this. He gets away scott free protected by CONCORD. And we are the ones forced to leave because his ship can't be attacked, evasion is a no go, we don't have someone to try and bump him back (which would be an exploit fighting an exploit) There's no point i nwar dec'ing or hiring mercs over a single bumper, and even then you could avoid that by being in an npc corp. All the while he gets off because of CCP's own stupid rule where harassment is only harassment if you are followed. There's no point in him following because he accomplished his goal of insuring people can't mine the ice. Why would he follow?
It was people like you who closed that door for yourself and everyone else by demanding a stronger CONCORD and more safety.
It was people like you who demanded that the exploit where you close a corp and immediately reopen it is no longer regarded as an exploit so you can avoid wardecs easily.
And it is people like you who demand that there is the possibility of a wardec free NPC corp so their 10 Skiff pilots are protected by the omnipresent, all knowing and invincible CONCORD at all times.
So please cry more about how the demands of your people from the past makes bumper pilots almost invincible.
Dragnkat wrote:
So if we can not within the rules of the game take action against someone who is quite obviously to everyone abusing EVE mechanics, is engaging in what for him is (And this is the point that can't be stressed enough given the mentality of EVE players telling people to HTFU and you are "never safe") --CONSEQUENCE FREE-- PVP activity. How is it not abuse of the rules, mechanics, and an exploit?
What about the --CONSEQUENCE FREE-- gathering of resources? Why should the bumper face consequences from CONCORD or CCP while the miner can mine in complete safety? How about you need to go suspect to mine ice? That would certainly make things a bit more interesting.
Dragnkat wrote:
And when a player is intentionally disrupting other players actions by an activity that serves no benefit to himself, and meant purely to be disruptive? Please explain to me how in the world that is not the classic mmo definition (to everyone but CCP anyway) of griefing, and exploiting the rules of EVE to accomplish his actions?
Most bumpers like myself will ask money from you. In my case you will also have to follow the Code. If you don't agree you may use the tools available to remove me. CCP is not one of this tools.
Dragnkat wrote:
CCP needs to get it through there heads bumping is an exploit of the highest order, and something needs to be done about it. It is not "emergent gameplay" it is harassment pure and simple, so why will the devs and GM staff not treat it as such?
EDIT: Oh and a fun little thought too if you want to get reeeeallly technical about this. If I'm harassed by a bumper in an ice spawn in a single system, but then later on in the same day or two I'm "followed" and this same bumper continues to harass players in a second or third ice spawn have we crossed that harassment line yet CCP?
CCP just recently buffet a set of ships with the pure intention to give you a tool to counter bumping. But jet again here we have some unsatisfied miner who has no intention to actually do the research about how he can avoid bumps by using this new options. Not that it wasn't possible before the buff, it's just ridiculously easier now.
You know, when James 315 years ago pointed out that this constant pattern of people like you crying for CCPs help is destroying Highsec, people where laughing at him. But you are so persistent that by now probably everyone who pays just a little bit of attention has accepted how right he is. And those people fill our war chest, so thanks for your tears, they are worth billions.
Posts like this just fuel my dedication to this path in EVE and I bet I am not the only one. |